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So to find out if you have to stop at a stop sign, you need to see the back of it. Genious
And what if one is installed by the state or local government and some joker decides to peel the sticker off? How about you just stop at stop signs, instead of trying to be clever for the sake of 10 seconds?
Bogus information. “But officer, I saw it on the internets, it must be true!”
you arnt “legally” obligated to stop. BUT YOU ARE MORALLY OBLIGATED, they put them to save lives you fu*k tards
Traffic laws vary from state to state; one cannot assume that all states have written their laws the same.
Next, a sticker can wear off from weather.
Finally… the actual determinant is who is responsible for maintaining the roadway? If it is a government entity (city, county, state, fed) then any stop sign, sticker or not, is legal. If it is private property (Target puts stop signs up in their parking lots) then it is not legally binding.
Great. Now if only we could see that side of the stop sign when we’re driving towards it.
I’d like some proof of this. Just saying ‘you don’t have to stop at these signs’ with no verification is absurd.
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You’d have fun defending yourself against manslaughter charges if you failed to stop at one of those signs and killed another road user.
is this true?
If you’re the kind of douchebag that blows stop signs, you deserve a ticket regardless. Probably bullsh** anyway…..
I blow through stop signs in parking lots when no one is around. And what?
I wouldnt mind running a few signs if nobody is gunna be injured by it.
i just wanna know so i can just yield and not have to stop all the way
This isn’t true. I work at a company that actually makes and installs traffic signs. The sticker on the back of some signs is to show that it was inspected and approved by a DOT engineer. This is only required on state signs, so most county and city signs don’t have one at all( although some do just for reference on when they were manufactured).
First of all, the stickers do not wear off because of weather. Second, stop at stop signs! It’s common sense! Third, an officer cannot EVER write you a ticket for running a stop sign on private property. Like the ones at the grocery store. You hit someone by running one, then you are screwed. The private property stop signs are the ones that I am sure this dumb ass photo speaks of, because stop signs on public roads are ALL subject to enforcement…..sticker or not.
Very true. Unless it is written into law by ordinance. In which you would 99% of the time you will see the ordinance number right under the stop sign.
Think about it, if you were to put a stop sign in your own driveway, could the government write you a ticket for disobeying your own sign?
But your Honor, I shouldn’t be charged with vehicular manslaughter, the stop sign didn’t have a little sticker that made it legaly binding.
Yeah, because you’ll save so much time and it’s so much safer to just blow through those signs that everyone else expects you to obey. Enjoy your T-bone.
Also, this varies by municipality, just like school zones (some end as soon as you pass the sign facing you, others extend to the sign facing traffic going to opposite direction).
Of cource, I’m not obligated to stop when I see the back of a stop sign; it’s the front that counts.
It’s the Exact same stop sign on both pictures.
This is stupid… you don’t stop because you’re legally obligated; you stop because you don’t want to get hit or hit anyone else who didn’t see this on the “internets” and expects you to stop at the sign.
The best way to determine whether a stop sign is legally binding or not is to pull over at every stop sign you see, get out of the car, and check the back of the sign for a sticker. If you see no sticker, you can take comfort in the fact that you didn’t have to stop in the first place.
The sticker simply means that if you steal it, you’ve committed a felony theft rather than a misdemeanor. A higher charge goes with state property. It also tells them the amount of time the sign is reasonably visible. Kind of like an expiration date.
Just stop at the sign. It’s not like you were headed anywhere important anyway.
Oh, by the way, the stop signs on school buses don’t have that sticker, but you ARE legally obligated to stop when the bus puts that sign out. More so since there are little kids walking around out there..
Seriously. Most of you aren’t going anywhere that you can’t stop for two seconds, LOOK at traffic, then go. You’re driving a large, deadly object. Try to be responsible.
The DOT has requirements as to sign location. If a condo complex or shopping center owner installs stop signs to control traffic flow and keep people safe then it is in the best interests to obey the signs. It doesnt give law enforcement officials the right to ticket people disobeying those signs because they were not installed by the government as per dot regulations. The stop signs without the stickers are probably installed by others than the govt. http://WWW.INFOWARS.COM
Maybe they live in a place like my town (Kirkwood, Missouri) where there are unnecessary stop signs at EVERY intersection… and the stop-and-roll is common.
I worked as a civil engineer in the Traffic Engineering Department for a state government for over 10 years and while we did put stickers on the back of all signs we erected (to show the date the sign was installed) it was not used for enforcement. I now work for a City government and we do not put stickers on our signs. Most signs erected within subdivisions are put there by the contractor once the subdivision is completed and the streets are taken into our system. Bottom line…if a stop sign is within our City limits our police have the authority to give tickets to anyone who disobeys those signs…period.
My mom worked for the county ( in Florida) and a few years ago my sister wanted a fallen crossing sign but didn’t want to take it if she risked getting in really big trouble. My mom told her that if there wasn’t a sticker on it, then it wasn’t a government regulated sign (or something like that) and that she technically could take it if it was completely on the ground and wasn’t stickered, which it was both.
And I’m pretty sure that those stickers are made to hold up in weather. I mean, they’re on STOP SIGNS of all things. They stand out in every type of weather, they have to take precautions so that they don’t flake off or get torn off too easily, I’m sure.
Not to mention, for whoever said how are we supposed to see the sticker or whatever? There’s a reason they’re on the back. You’re not suppsoed to see them when you’re driving towards them. But if you get pulled over for running a stop sign, you can go back and look for a sticker and if it lacks one (and if this law is true in your state) then you can take it to court.
I agree that you shouldn’t run stop signs in the first place, but this post was made to be helpful, and so that if someone put up a non-government regulated sign then you can do something about it.
Yeah ’cause that extra 1.5 seconds it takes you to stop is certainly more important than someone’s life, right Jacob?
If you make safety decisions based on bullshit you read on the internet, then you’re too stupid to have a driver’s license anyways.
I’ve heard something similar, but just FYI (at least in Canada/Ontario), while signs (as mentioned) in parking lots aren’t enforceable under the highway traffic act, they are enforceable under criminal code as dangerous driving.
Basically you’ll save yourself the charge of like 200$ in traffic court only to discover that you now have a new friend named bubba because you’re a full-on felon and serving 10 years in prison.
Neat trick eh?
A stop sign is a stop sign. Stop means STOP.
You also don’t have to stop a stop signs with a white border. It’s true i heard it on the interwebs.
ok let me pull over and get out at this stop sign to make sure it is legal. Ok it is now let get back in the car and stop at it. Good another ticket avoided. Thanks internet posting guy. You have saved me.
This is DANGEROUSLY simplistic and inaccurate information. The cogent points others have mentioned are thus summarized:
1.) Traffic laws vary based on municipality, county, and state. There is no “catch-all” rule for stop signs, speeding, lane changes, or seatbelts.
2.) If you are charged in a court of law, the fact that you read this information on a website will not be legally relevant.
3.) The author provides no statutory justification nor a disclaimer that he is not qualified to provide legal advice.
4.) Is it really worth your time and money to blow stop signs on the chance that they are suggestive and not regulatory?
Lastly, and most importantly,
5.) Stop signs are installed for the sole purpose of saving lives. When you kill somebody’s child, brother, sister, mother, or father, look them in they eyes and tell them that you read on the internet you did not need to stop.
This post is inaccurate and immoral.
Before believing this idiot, which you don’t want to do, you might wish to check your state vehicle codes also known as the rules for those with IQ’s as high as shoe sizes. A posted traffic sign is just that, posted and most laws state, posted speed limit, posted traffic control and so on.
And just for fun and to save you all from a bored cop and ensuing ticket, posted or not, most states have a traffic rule that states that should you come upon any entrance or right-of-way to another lane of travel, all vehicles must come to a complete stop before proceeding, and here’s a surprise, this means an ally too and those are hardly ever posted by any type of a sign, but it’s a law that as a driver you are legally responsible to know and abide by.
Think of it this way, just like the idiot lights of a car, they don’t cover everything and car makers expect you to know that a knocking sound from the engine, light, or sign or not, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t know what to do when it happens.
actually a stop sign just has to be the required height for it to be legal. 6′
this statement is false, all stop signs are placed for a reason, sticker on the back or not, you are ALWAYS required to stop at all stop signs
that’s just the back of a stop sign…
Um pretty sure this is just a hoax, my friends a cop and he says in Louisiana there’s no such thing
This is NOT real. Your state statutes are available online. Look for the State Uniform Traffic Control laws.
The court will throw the book at you for saying, “Well your Honor, I killed the little girl but she was in the middle of the road. And I didn’t need to stop because, even though I saw the stop sign, there was no sticker on the back of it.”
In FL, it’s the law to stop at EVERY stop sign (FS 316.123(2)(a)), and if there is a discrepancy for the validity of the sign you must still follow the sign and then report it to the DOT.
Yeah lets inspire MORE stupid drivers. Its bad enough too many people speed, don’t use their turn signals, run red lights, and talk on their cell-phones while driving.
Do you know what the leading cause of death for people aged 3-34 is? Its traffic fatalities. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810936.PDF
You could be inadvertently increasing this statistic by inspiring more morons to act like assholes behind the wheel of a car. Bully for you.
If its a stop sign you have to stop. Never seen one in Texas with a sticker on the back. Secondly for those that think they do not have to stop at a parking lot sign, most retailers invite the police onto the property to enforce traffic laws such as speed limits, stop signs and seat belts. If the police are invited onto the property they have the right to issue citations.
So, he’s not entirely wrong, but he’s still retarded. I live in Louisiana, and none of our stop signs have stickers on the back.
If you’re on a public roadway, you have to stop at a stop sign. In a private parking lot you won’t be ticketed by the police. The property own can take actions against you, (banning you, etc.) but generally in the US, state traffic laws only apply to public roadways.
This goes even for lights. If you’re leaving a private lot at a light, even if you have a green light you’re technically supposed to wait for all traffic to clear before proceeding onto the public roadway. If you turn left on a green arrow, and somebody goes straight at hits you, it’s still technically your fault, even if normally it would be theirs.
Source: Senior Criminal Justice undergraduate and I’ve worked in law enforcement. Also, teh internets.
Try telling that to my father in law, who was riding his motorcycle at a four way stop. He stopped, had the right of way — and the car coming along the perpendicular road didn’t stop. Hit him good, he went flying…Luckily, he was wearing his helmet!
If I’m coming the other direction when you run this stop sign, rest assured, I will park in your car.
Just stop, why are you in such a hurry anyway? Not worth a life (including your own) to speed though them.
You are right the stop sign does not make you stop. The law that says when exiting private property you have to stop and make sure it is safe before proceeding takes precedent. The sign is just to remind you that you need to stop.
Even if you are not legally obligated to stop, if you fail to stop and harm someone or something in the process you will very likely be held negligent in a civil lawsuit.
They aren’t put in to save lives you dumb fuck. In fact many studies have shown that stop signs have no safety benefit over yield signs. Far too many unnecessary stop signs are in place and this causes motorists to speed away from the stop sign, which can be far more dangerous. I understand putting them in areas around schools, but it’s quite irritating when every fucking block has a stop sign. Not only that but it’s a waste of fucking gas, getting a car to move from a complete standstill uses much more gasoline than if it were even slightly in motion. Hence why yield signs make way more sense.
Mike is an idiot. What studies said stop signs don’t save more lives than yield signs? Cite your sources.
In streets, I prefer having yield or stop signs…I hate cross streets that are just open, because everyone speeds assuming if they get there first, they have right away. However! Stop signs you see on private property, such as grocery store lots, are going to be the ones that are not legally binding, and really server as a warning sign.
If you do hit a person in a private lot and there was a sign (legally binding or not), good luck fighting a case. I always play it safe, even when I do “rolling-almost-but-not-quite” Stop, I’m always ready to stop quickly.
This is precisely why I always drive on the wrong side of the road. That way I can always see the sticker when I approach an intersection.
…Although freeway driving during rush hour can get a bit tense at times.
This is like saying all stop signs with a white outline are optional.
Even tjough all stop signs have a white outline.
This is true. My boyfriend is a police officer. Private or residential properties’ traffic signs, such as in grocery store or mall parking lots, are not legally binding.
Where I live, at a certain time, depending on the season; all traffic lights and stop signs are considered a Give Way sign, no more waiting in an empty junction at a stop sign or red light. Even better, there is no speed limits on the autobahn / highway on my way to work, 240k/hr minimum :–)
Just stop at any stop sign. It’s not like a takes a chunk of time out of your day, plus you could cause a car wreck, and I’m sure explaining that you didn’t have to stop because of lack of some sticker would annoy everyone.
so if u keep going cuz u dont think a sticker is on the back of the effin sign, and u hit someone, whats gonna be ur excuse then?
there are tons of fatal accidents that happen cuz people dont feel like stopping at the stop light or sign.
seriously is it that hard to stop?
The stickers are to indicate that the sign is compatible with local regulation (shape, visibility, etc). Any owner of a certain territory can put any sign they want and demand it to be respected. For example, if you leave a warehouse zone and there’s a stop sign printed on cardboard, you must stop or the owner would have grounds to press charges.
When it comes to the *streets* between warehouse zones, things are much different. Any sign not coordinated with local authority would result in severe penalties for whoever put it here.
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Best troll ever, imagine all the idiots that try to run stop signs after seeing this and then try and justify it with “The sign doesn’t have a sticker”
Even if this is somehow true, which it’s not, stop signs are for safety not just a stupid rule we just have to follow.
You just keep on f*cking up our language. What happened to the perfectly good verb “obliged” !!
so… cant you just take off those stickers?
Stop signs are installed by The Man to increase fuel consumption due to stop-and-go driving. Stick it to The Man! Run All Stop Signs!
I only read about 10 comments before scrolling to the bottom to post this, so excuse me if its been said already, but,
This information isn’t provided to discourage people from feeling the need to stop at “invalid” stop-signs.
It’s a useful piece of information for an individual who has *already been written a ticket* for not stopping. If you check and discover that the stop sigh is not state-issued, you can probably have the ticket overturned in traffic court. A couple hundred dollars that stay in your pocket.
Despite the fact that this instance can be veiled as morally driven, haters please keep your over-inflated sense of self importance to yourself. No one has or ever will care.
The comments seem a little off. No one is saying not to pay attention where a stop sign is posted. But sometimes a rolling stop is enough! If I were in that situation where I did not sit for a complete 4 seconds before continuing I would certainly want to know how to fight such a ticket.
Thank you “Harry” for posting some sense.
for my fellow stumblers, this is not true. those stickers are to deter theft of the sign, and read” warning, $5,000 fine blah blah”
just wanted to make it known that i appreciate this article. the folks complaining in the comments are obviously morons who prefer not to be bogged down with knowledge and understanding.
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